Monday, May 7, 2012

Craigslist, AKA stolen or broken: a tale of D Vinnie and Justin Mattioli

A little while back I got an unexpected email with a link to a 'camera for sale' listing and photo on Craigslist. In the email, J, a photographer friend, had written:

Guess whose camera this probably is? 

 That's right. My camera. Stolen out of the house as near as I can tell. Two days ago I had a camera, now there is no camera in our house. No one moved it. It's always in the same spot, but today, it ain't in that spot. 

 On the 24th we had a pest control guy in because we have a mouse. Now I have no camera. Coincidence that he is here the same day someone breaks in, without leaving a trace of actually forcing their way in? Or he lifted the camera.

We all know that it feels pretty bad when you find out something precious has been stolen, and even worse when it is from your own home. J couldn't be certain that the 'pest control guy' had taken it, and he could not be sure that the camera on Craigslist was his, but it was the same body and lens (not the standard kit lens), and the listing was certainly suspicious:

nikon d90 body only with battery
no cables no charger
comes with tamron 17-50mm lens
$850 OBO
no low ballers
i am mobile can meet up if you cant
need to sell ASAP


No cables or charger? Need to sell ASAP? These details seemed to say 'stolen'.

Fortunately J had the serial number of the camera body, so if he could get to see it, he could prove it was his. He contacted the police saying that he could try to arrange a meeting with the seller. The police were:

...very clear with me, and I quote "it's just a camera, put it on the credit card, don't do anything with the crazies". She pointed out that in addition to them being the type of people that steal stuff for money, they would also know I'm showing up with around $800 if I'm going to buy it. She added that knives and guns are all possibilities.

Sobering thoughts. To try to help out J, I thought I would respond to the craigslist ad, reasoning that the more connections to people who knew the circumstances, the better the chances of actually getting to see the camera, rather than some innocent third party buying it. I could also use a photography related email address, and I thought up a convincing story for why I wanted the camera:

Hi - saw your ad on Craigslist. I need a backup camera so would be interested in this. I already have a 17-50 lens, so may just want the camera body if possible, but would still consider both otherwise.

That evening I was pretty surprised to get a response:

hey, was trying to sell both as a package, if its the price your concerned about, im flexible. but would like to sell both in one shot. if your still interested let me know. we can arrange something

I passed the details on to J, who was also surprised as he'd had no reply from the seller. He later realised that he had automatically signed off his email with his initials, and if it was the pest control guy, he would know J's name from the work order, which would explain why he had not replied. The Craiglist ad had also now been pulled by the poster. Interestingly these two factors would later play to our advantage.

The seller's reply to me would prove to be his undoing. Though it was from an untraceable yahoo email address, the name attached to the email address was 'D Vinnie".

When I passed this on to J, he immediately replied:

"Funny, the pest guy's name was Vincenza... not the same, but strangely close."

And his first name started with D.

Coincidence? I didn't think so. We now appeared to have our smoking gun. 'Vinnie' is likely to be a common nickname for someone called Vincenza, so it seemed pretty likely that we were dealing with the pest control guy, though we had no hard evidence to prove they were one and the same person.

I carried on a correspondence with 'D Vinnie' in an attempt to extract more info from him while supposedly trying to set up a meeting, but then it went quiet. At this point J decided that he had probably lost his camera for good, and all he could do was go to the pest control company with his suspicions, but no real proof. Before he did, I tried one more email to 'D Vinnie' and surprisingly got a fast response:

Sorry I was away for the weekend just got back it is still for sale, will let it go for 700 if ur still interested? If ur free tonight we can meet up if you like? Because I will be busy for the next few days. And if ur interested, I would like to see as soon as possible trying to pay for my real estate course.


This not only gave us some more evidence for the pest control company (was their employee doing a real estate course?), but also showed us that the seller had no other buyers. Because J had accidentally signed his enquiry with his initials, which Vincenza would have recognised, he had been spooked into removing the ad from Craigslist very quickly, which now suggested I was his only potential buyer.

I tried fishing for a mobile phone number or address, but with no luck, and at this point J decided to approach the pest control company.

J phoned me later that evening. "Guess what I'm holding." He said.

He had got his camera back.

That morning J had met with a manager at the pest control company and presented all the evidence we had accumulated connecting 'D Vinnie' with their employee D. Vincenza. The manager was shocked. To his credit it took it really seriously, and told J that he would confront Vincenza with the evidence right away. That afternoon the manager turned up on J's doorstep, with his camera, and a full refund for the pest control work they had done. He explained that he had called in Vincenza for a meeting, told him about all the evidence, and said. "I am going out to lunch now. When I come back I want that camera to be on my desk." And it was.

Vincenza lost his job, but at least he had made the right decision in returning the camera, and the police did not become involved. The guy had worked at the company for a year and had apparently been a great employee. As J said afterwards "I don't think the guy was a career criminal, I think he just made a really poor decision on the spur of the moment."


This extraordinary tale immediately reminded me of a personal experience I had with Craigslist early this year. I have recently taken up Alpine ski touring in relation to a photographic project I am involved with and decided to invest in some used equipment. I had heard that Craiglist was a better option than Ebay as you can deal locally with people and meet them face to face. Pretty soon I found some suitable skis, bindings and skins:

I've been holding onto a second set of touring gear for friends to join in on the fun. There's a new set of twins coming this year....or next... so I have to clear out the closet.

G3 Reverends with lots of......."hey guys let's go this way" stories 170cm with 126/93/114, they are 6 years old (Original $800)


Asking $400 with the ski's waxed and ready for the weekend or $350 ready for pickup. Can drop off between Kitsilano and Mt Lehman/ Abbotsford.

This sounded like a good deal, and it was local so I arranged to go see them (seemed a better idea as I would then know where the seller lived if there was any problem). When I arrived at the address in Kitsilano here in Vancouver I found it was an apartment block and I did not know the apartment number, so I had to call the seller, Justin, on his mobile. He came down and met me at the door with the skis. He laid them out in the hall and I had brought some boots I could try them out with. I explained I was pretty new to Alpine touring and asked if there was anything wrong with the skis. He told me no, they were fine - showed me some scratches and where they were worn down but this is to be expected with used skis. From my limited experience they seemed okay and he offered them to me for 300 dollars with the bindings and skins. He had another buyer coming in an hour he said. This of course is a standard sell tactic, which I ignored, but I thought the skis seemed decent enough so I bought them.

Later that week I took them to a ski store to get them serviced. The counter guy took one look at them and said "Where did you get these?" That didn't sound good.
I told him.
"Ah, Craigslist. I am afraid we call them 'stolen or broken'."
With his expert eye he had immediately spotted fine cracks on the sides of each ski. He told me the cracks would run into the core of the ski and it would have lost its integrity. With a sinking heart I asked him if it was still worth getting them serviced.
He told me that professionally, he couldn't do it. "They will not ski properly. They are potentially dangerous."

Later I called Justin on his mobile and recounted what the ski store had told me.
In summary, Justin's response was: "Buyer beware... my friend."
I told him he had sold me broken skis and I wanted my money back.
His response? "Put them on Craigslist, like I did."
So even though he undeniably knew that his skis were broken, and dangerous, he still had no qualms about passing them on to someone else....

Unfortunately (for me at least), I am not willing to 'pay it forward' in this way and am therefore stuck with a set of broken skis I have never used. When I told Justin I was going to write about it, he emailed to say that he would take the skis back... if I paid him 100 dollars. And then of course he could keep his profit and put the skis up for sale on Craigslist again.

I have learned lessons from this and hope at least I can pass them on to others. In retrospect, I am confident that Justin deliberately set out to deceive, and did what he could to cover his tracks. The details are worth keeping in mind if you are looking to buy items on Craigslist:

  • In his Craigslist ad, Justin offered to drop off the skis, that way there would be no way to know where he lived or worked.
  • He only gave me a mobile phone number - much harder to trace than a landline.
  • When I said I wanted to come and see the skis, he gave me a street address, but not the apartment number.
  • When I discovered this on arrival and phoned him, Justin met me at the main door, so again I would not know his apartment number.
  • He showed me the skis in a dimly lit hallway where they would be hard to study properly.
  • Most significantly, I noticed that his email address, which was a Yahoo address and thus untraceable, had the attached name 'Justin'. Thus I did not know his last name, so could not trace him that way.
Unfortunately (for Justin), on this last factor, he screwed up. On all our email correspondence his name was simply 'Justin', but when he emailed me to offer to take back the skis if I paid him 100 dollars, the name came up next to the email address as Justin Mattioli. Why had his email signature been 'Justin' all along, and now it was 'Justin Mattioli'? This is something you have to physically change in your email account.

My theory? Justin Mattioli had reduced his name to 'Justin' to correspond with me so I would not know his full name, and once he thought the deal was done, and he was in the clear, he switched it back to Justin Mattioli. However, when he did send me one final email after I said I was going to write about it, he forgot to change his name and thus accidentally revealed his full identity. Now that seems pretty damning to me.

So, I believe that Justin Mattioli (of Kitsilano, Vancouver, so there is no confusion) deliberately scammed me, and while there is very little I can do about it, at least I can warn others as he may try to do something similar in the future (and may have done so in the past). So remember, as Justin Mattioli likes to say, Buyer Beware.... my friend.

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